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		<title>By: cosmopolite</title>
		<link>http://codenamemama.com/2010/01/22/locker-room-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-22694</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmopolite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia forthrightly depicts the natural penis. The penis photographs used in all editions of Wikipedia are collected in one place called Wikimedia Commons. No pop-ups, no garish come ons, no invitations to lewd chatting. Most of all, no image reveals both a man&#039;s face and his penis. Wikipedia alone may have done a lot to educate this and future generations of parents.

When I was growing up, it was almost impossible to find an honest image of the male genitalia. And what images there were, depicted circumcised. The only place that depicted intact was classic art, and this fact was never commented on, even in the lewdest college bull sessions. The sexual advantages of being intact were never mentioned until the 1990s. Is it any surprise that people raised in this fashion grew up to be parents who had difficulty not circumcising their boys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia forthrightly depicts the natural penis. The penis photographs used in all editions of Wikipedia are collected in one place called Wikimedia Commons. No pop-ups, no garish come ons, no invitations to lewd chatting. Most of all, no image reveals both a man&#8217;s face and his penis. Wikipedia alone may have done a lot to educate this and future generations of parents.</p>
<p>When I was growing up, it was almost impossible to find an honest image of the male genitalia. And what images there were, depicted circumcised. The only place that depicted intact was classic art, and this fact was never commented on, even in the lewdest college bull sessions. The sexual advantages of being intact were never mentioned until the 1990s. Is it any surprise that people raised in this fashion grew up to be parents who had difficulty not circumcising their boys?</p>
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		<title>By: cosmopolite</title>
		<link>http://codenamemama.com/2010/01/22/locker-room-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-9587</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmopolite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You asked:

&quot;Someone explain to me why the foreskin is rumored to be such an object of ridicule.&quot;

Fair question. I am too old to have anything to say about what it&#039;s like in a school locker room today. Or to be playing the youthful dating game.

But in a midwestern city 50 years ago, every boy was circumcised. 
In my place and time, men and boys did not conceal their penises when they urinated in a public rest room. Middle class non-ethnic Dads were cut, and we all saw our Dads in locker rooms at the Y or at swimming pools.

We boys never talked about this among ourselves. I assure you I never heard a dirty joke refer to it. We all thought that what we had was what Mother Nature intended. I have concluded that the vast majority of parents did not speak to their boys about this tender subject, probably because they simply did not know what to say. In many cases maternity wards cut boys without asking, so the parents were not involved in the decision.

In the world I am describing, if anyone were to chance on a natural pointed penis, it was seen as deeply Weird. Sex ed didn&#039;t talk about the long sleeve on the short arm and we had no idea how that look came about. An uncut boy looked like he had a giant earthworm hanging between his legs, LOL! I never heard a boy remark that the penises in fine art nudes looked different from what we all had. I suspect that 25 years of intactivist agitation has done a lot to end this weird state of ignorance about what nature intends.

It was very easy to convince ourselves that it trapped pee in a disgusting way. That it was dysfunctional for sex and masturbation (we did not know how the foreskin nicely peels back during erection). That it was effeminate. We jumped to the conclusion that girls were repulsed by it as well.

Every statement in the preceding paragraph is evidence that American popular culture had gone off the rails insofar as the tip of the penis was concerned. Americans are still digging themselves out from the shambles. But women have done a better job so far...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You asked:</p>
<p>&#8220;Someone explain to me why the foreskin is rumored to be such an object of ridicule.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair question. I am too old to have anything to say about what it&#8217;s like in a school locker room today. Or to be playing the youthful dating game.</p>
<p>But in a midwestern city 50 years ago, every boy was circumcised.<br />
In my place and time, men and boys did not conceal their penises when they urinated in a public rest room. Middle class non-ethnic Dads were cut, and we all saw our Dads in locker rooms at the Y or at swimming pools.</p>
<p>We boys never talked about this among ourselves. I assure you I never heard a dirty joke refer to it. We all thought that what we had was what Mother Nature intended. I have concluded that the vast majority of parents did not speak to their boys about this tender subject, probably because they simply did not know what to say. In many cases maternity wards cut boys without asking, so the parents were not involved in the decision.</p>
<p>In the world I am describing, if anyone were to chance on a natural pointed penis, it was seen as deeply Weird. Sex ed didn&#8217;t talk about the long sleeve on the short arm and we had no idea how that look came about. An uncut boy looked like he had a giant earthworm hanging between his legs, LOL! I never heard a boy remark that the penises in fine art nudes looked different from what we all had. I suspect that 25 years of intactivist agitation has done a lot to end this weird state of ignorance about what nature intends.</p>
<p>It was very easy to convince ourselves that it trapped pee in a disgusting way. That it was dysfunctional for sex and masturbation (we did not know how the foreskin nicely peels back during erection). That it was effeminate. We jumped to the conclusion that girls were repulsed by it as well.</p>
<p>Every statement in the preceding paragraph is evidence that American popular culture had gone off the rails insofar as the tip of the penis was concerned. Americans are still digging themselves out from the shambles. But women have done a better job so far&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cosmopolite</title>
		<link>http://codenamemama.com/2010/01/22/locker-room-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-9563</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmopolite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Intact&quot; has been the preferred term of the anti-circ movement. I use &quot;natural&quot; as a synonym. &quot;Uncut&quot; is USA gay male slang that has achieved a suprising degree of respectability in recent years.

I am a Baby Boomer who grew up intact in the midwest, the only intact male in my family of origin. Almost every time I used a locker room or had to undress for a group medical exam (especially the hernia check business!), I was the only intact boy in the room. It took me more than 40 years to see myself as normal and sexually fortunate. When it comes to being ashamed of having foreskin, I&#039;ve been there in spades.

That said, let me remind you ladies out there that once men are out of high school, they never comment about each others penises, except gay men in the bedroom. So this foreskin ridicule business is a possibility only in middle and high school.

The vast majority of boys have no occasions to be naked around other boys except in locker rooms. Naturism is a hobby for older men. In my opinion, men are more bashful and circumspect in locker rooms and public showers than they used to be. The drivers here may be size insecurities and an awareness than about 1 male in 40 is gay. 

The urinals in the grade school I attended made no concessions whatsoever to male modesty. Hence I was a bit ridiculed in first and second grade for having a Weird Dick. (I never heard &quot;circumcised&quot; until I was in college. I never heard &quot;foreskin&quot; spoken until I met my wife.) By the time I started using locker rooms without my father being present, I knew how to hide my foreskin. It is easy for an intact boy to appear cut; the converse is impossible. In any event, while I was very afraid I would be &quot;outed&quot; for being an AntEater, I never was. Only my mother, wife, and a half dozen close friends know that I am intact.

My regret is not that I was intact, but that in my youth there was ZERO support in print for leaving a child intact. Hence my mother could not explain her decision, and hence said nothing to me about being uncut until I was 19. And she did not really open up about this issue until after my father was dead, and after I told her I was an intactivist.

We should not presume to know what boys will think and know 10-15 years from now. It is quite possible that in a few years, American popular sexual culture will come to accept the pointed penis is fully normal. As someone posted above, in the locker rooms of tomorrow, the intact boys may be envied and admired instead of bullied.

Whether or not that happens, parents of intact boys can still tell them that they are healthy and normal, and that when they are grown, the moving sheath of skin covering the tip of the penis will have important uses. I have read many anecdotes from amused parents sharing that their 6-8-10 year old son fully appreciates that that sheath is the most sensitive part of his body. If we simply tell our boys that that sensitivity is a fine thing, and that&#039;s why we did not let a doctor cut the sheath off, that might suffice to help them to laugh off any ridicule they may face because their penises are pointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Intact&#8221; has been the preferred term of the anti-circ movement. I use &#8220;natural&#8221; as a synonym. &#8220;Uncut&#8221; is USA gay male slang that has achieved a suprising degree of respectability in recent years.</p>
<p>I am a Baby Boomer who grew up intact in the midwest, the only intact male in my family of origin. Almost every time I used a locker room or had to undress for a group medical exam (especially the hernia check business!), I was the only intact boy in the room. It took me more than 40 years to see myself as normal and sexually fortunate. When it comes to being ashamed of having foreskin, I&#8217;ve been there in spades.</p>
<p>That said, let me remind you ladies out there that once men are out of high school, they never comment about each others penises, except gay men in the bedroom. So this foreskin ridicule business is a possibility only in middle and high school.</p>
<p>The vast majority of boys have no occasions to be naked around other boys except in locker rooms. Naturism is a hobby for older men. In my opinion, men are more bashful and circumspect in locker rooms and public showers than they used to be. The drivers here may be size insecurities and an awareness than about 1 male in 40 is gay. </p>
<p>The urinals in the grade school I attended made no concessions whatsoever to male modesty. Hence I was a bit ridiculed in first and second grade for having a Weird Dick. (I never heard &#8220;circumcised&#8221; until I was in college. I never heard &#8220;foreskin&#8221; spoken until I met my wife.) By the time I started using locker rooms without my father being present, I knew how to hide my foreskin. It is easy for an intact boy to appear cut; the converse is impossible. In any event, while I was very afraid I would be &#8220;outed&#8221; for being an AntEater, I never was. Only my mother, wife, and a half dozen close friends know that I am intact.</p>
<p>My regret is not that I was intact, but that in my youth there was ZERO support in print for leaving a child intact. Hence my mother could not explain her decision, and hence said nothing to me about being uncut until I was 19. And she did not really open up about this issue until after my father was dead, and after I told her I was an intactivist.</p>
<p>We should not presume to know what boys will think and know 10-15 years from now. It is quite possible that in a few years, American popular sexual culture will come to accept the pointed penis is fully normal. As someone posted above, in the locker rooms of tomorrow, the intact boys may be envied and admired instead of bullied.</p>
<p>Whether or not that happens, parents of intact boys can still tell them that they are healthy and normal, and that when they are grown, the moving sheath of skin covering the tip of the penis will have important uses. I have read many anecdotes from amused parents sharing that their 6-8-10 year old son fully appreciates that that sheath is the most sensitive part of his body. If we simply tell our boys that that sensitivity is a fine thing, and that&#8217;s why we did not let a doctor cut the sheath off, that might suffice to help them to laugh off any ridicule they may face because their penises are pointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dionna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dionna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do tend to see &quot;intact&quot; more in some of the forums I am on, but I like natural too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do tend to see &#8220;intact&#8221; more in some of the forums I am on, but I like natural too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://codenamemama.com/2010/01/22/locker-room-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-1484</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer to use the word &#039;Natural&#039; to describe having a foreskin.</description>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intact is not a slang term. It&#039;s actually the most accepted term, as the natural state of a penis is intact. As Dionna stated, uncircumcised refers to the opposite of circumcised - which is not a natural state.</description>
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		<title>By: Dionna</title>
		<link>http://codenamemama.com/2010/01/22/locker-room-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator>Dionna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are &quot;intact&quot; and &quot;uncut&quot; slang terms? Would you rather I call it &quot;uncircumcised&quot;? Uncircumcised implies that &quot;circumcised&quot; is the normal or correct way to do something, and anything else is aberrant. Intact describes exactly what an uncut penis is: &quot;untouched especially by anything that harms or diminishes.&quot; (Merriam Webster) Uncut is, again, exactly what I want to convey - a penis that has not been cut. 
And yes, the opposite of intact and uncut is, indeed, altered and mutilated. Have you checked out the pictures/video I posted here? http://codenamemama.com/2009/10/03/our-perfect-son/
What would you call that if not &quot;altered&quot; and &quot;mutilated&quot;?
Circumcision forever alters a penis. I&#039;m not going to mince words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are &#8220;intact&#8221; and &#8220;uncut&#8221; slang terms? Would you rather I call it &#8220;uncircumcised&#8221;? Uncircumcised implies that &#8220;circumcised&#8221; is the normal or correct way to do something, and anything else is aberrant. Intact describes exactly what an uncut penis is: &#8220;untouched especially by anything that harms or diminishes.&#8221; (Merriam Webster) Uncut is, again, exactly what I want to convey &#8211; a penis that has not been cut.<br />
And yes, the opposite of intact and uncut is, indeed, altered and mutilated. Have you checked out the pictures/video I posted here? <a href="http://codenamemama.com/2009/10/03/our-perfect-son/">http://codenamemama.com/2009/10/03/our-perfect-son/</a><br />
What would you call that if not &#8220;altered&#8221; and &#8220;mutilated&#8221;?<br />
Circumcision forever alters a penis. I&#8217;m not going to mince words.</p>
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		<title>By: Parsnip Milkdud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parsnip Milkdud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Universal acceptance of uncircumcised penises is an issue obviously very dear to you. That being said, why do you use slang terms such as &quot;intact&quot; and &quot;uncut&quot;? Use of such slang implies a lack of seriousness about the issue and in my opinion encourages what you are fighting against. Your dream of a foreskin filled world is not going to happen overnight. If young boys are constantly reminded of how superior their intact, uncut penises are, they will end up making fun of the poor boys whose parents had them circumcised. 

I think you make some good points, but I also think you should be a little more careful with your approach. Think about it, what is the opposite of &quot;intact&quot; and &quot;uncut&quot;? It would be altered and mutilated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Universal acceptance of uncircumcised penises is an issue obviously very dear to you. That being said, why do you use slang terms such as &#8220;intact&#8221; and &#8220;uncut&#8221;? Use of such slang implies a lack of seriousness about the issue and in my opinion encourages what you are fighting against. Your dream of a foreskin filled world is not going to happen overnight. If young boys are constantly reminded of how superior their intact, uncut penises are, they will end up making fun of the poor boys whose parents had them circumcised. </p>
<p>I think you make some good points, but I also think you should be a little more careful with your approach. Think about it, what is the opposite of &#8220;intact&#8221; and &#8220;uncut&#8221;? It would be altered and mutilated.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you dionna, that is all i am saying</description>
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		<title>By: Dionna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dionna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok guys. I can understand what Monty was saying about teasing. I would hope that Monty isn&#039;t arguing that not getting teased is a good enough reason to circ, I think what his point is that most kids are just going to tease regardless of whether it&#039;s being intact, being overweight, etc. We should teach our children to respect each other no matter what they look like. I agree.

Let&#039;s all be civil, please! Tit for tat squabbles don&#039;t make anything better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok guys. I can understand what Monty was saying about teasing. I would hope that Monty isn&#8217;t arguing that not getting teased is a good enough reason to circ, I think what his point is that most kids are just going to tease regardless of whether it&#8217;s being intact, being overweight, etc. We should teach our children to respect each other no matter what they look like. I agree.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s all be civil, please! Tit for tat squabbles don&#8217;t make anything better.</p>
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